CHRISTIAN/MUSLIM DISCUSSIONS
SUFFOLK 2004-2005

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Preamble

The Archbishop of Canterbury's observer at the United Nations, Archdeacon Taimalelagi Fagamalama Tuatagaloa-Matalavea from Somoa, (Tai) asked for guidance concerning the attitudes of Muslims and Christians respectively to democracy, governance and citizenship and other related issues.  How much shared understanding was there?  Would there be a clash of cultures?  In response to Tai's request, Amedee Turner QC, former MEP for Suffolk, and a member of Tai's support group, arranged Round Table Discussions (RTDs) in various parts of USA and in the UK.

Aims of the discussion

To find out how much agreement actually exists between the Muslim and the Christian world-views in the area of global relations.

To identify appropriate ways of expressing ideas, in language which is equally congenial to Christians and Muslims.

To offer the insights gained through the discussions to Tai, to inform her work as an Observer at the United Nations.

Subject matter

The topics listed include: democracy, freedom and self-government, civil society, human rights, globally consistent justice and equity, respect for law and the rule of law, materialism, cultural specificity.

Background to the Suffolk series

Amadee Turner approached James Atwell, Dean of Bury St. Edmunds with a proposal to set up Christian/Muslim discussions on these themes in Suffolk.  They held a meeting on 27 January 2004 with Elizabeth Moore, Lay Education and Training Adviser of the Diocese of St. Edmundsbury and Ipswich, and Cynthia Capey, Hon. Faiths Officer of Suffolk Inter-Faith Resource who agreed to draw up an appropriate scheme together.

Although the initiative for these particular Christian/Muslim discussions came through Amadee Turner at the behest of the Archbishop of Canterbury's observer at the United Nations, Cynthia and Elizabeth felt it was important to appreciate the local context and to integrate this initiative into the inter-faith work that was already going on in Suffolk.  They proposed to have 2 groups for Suffolk (one in Bury and one in Ipswich), commencing in the Autumn 2004.  The Ipswich discussions would build on existing dialogue between interested bodies and would connect to the regular Forums of Faith.  The Bury ones would seek to draw in new people as speakers and participants and to involve Churches Together in Bury and the St. Edmundsbury Borough Council as partners.

The subject matter would be approached under four main topics

Globalisation and Consumerism
Governance and Democratic Society
Human Rights
Justice and the Rule of Law

Each session would be introduced by speakers with a competence in the subject matter, to stimulate informed debate.  Participants would include Muslims from various backgrounds, and Anglicans together with representatives of other Christian groups.  It was hoped that there would be some degree of continuity between the 2 groups and that it would be possible to set up joint focus groups in the Autumn of 2005 to follow through particular interests and concerns.

The Ipswich Series

The Ipswich series was launched by a Forum of Faiths public seminar on "What do the Faiths teach about Justice" in the Crown Courts, Ipswich.  It was followed up by 2 discussion groups on Democracy and Human Rights and culminated in a Forum of Faiths seminar on "What do the Faiths Teach about Democracy?"  This was held in the Council Chamber of Endeavour House (HQ of Suffolk County Council).  The Ipswich series aimed at a wider audience in order to reflect the multi-faith nature of the community within which any Muslim/Christian dialogue takes place.   Two booklets have been published by SIFRE which contain the texts of the speakers at the two Forums of Faith.

The Bury Series

The Bury group met on 4 Tuesday evenings in the early summer 2005 and the series was incorporated into the programme of the Cathedral Education Group.  Keynote speakers, Muslim and Christian, introduced the topics.  Panel members from both faiths were invited to question and 'draw out' the speakers.  Questions and discussion followed from the audience.

The keynote speakers came mostly from the Bury area of West Suffolk, but Muslims from Ipswich were involved as keynote speakers and on the panel.  Churches Together in Bury St. Edmunds also provided panel members.  The overall audience came from a wide area of the county and included people of many different churches and of several faiths. Well over 100 people were involved.

Report Contents

q           Speakers' Profiles

q           Notes on Session 1 - Globalisation and Consumerism

q           Notes on Session 2 - Governance and Democratic Society

q           Notes on Session 3 - Human Rights

q           Notes on Session 4 - Justice and the Rule of Law

q           Some Conclusions

q           Islam and Its Peaceful Treatment of People of Other Faiths


Speakers' profiles

Sue Young is the World Development Adviser for the Anglican Diocese of St. Edmundsbury and Ipswich. In this voluntary role she is active in encouraging the church to campaign for a fair deal for the world's poor.  She is a long time supporter of the Campaign for Trade Justice, Jubilee Debt Campaign, Christian Aid and the World Development Movement.  Sue's career has been in town planning, most recently developing regional transport policy for the East of England Regional Assembly.

Asaf Hussain is currently Assistant Headteacher at Ixworth Middle School where he teaches 9-13 year olds a mixture of Mathematics, History and Geography. He has a degree in Economics and Geography. He was born and raised in Bradford, West Yorkshire but has worked and lived in Suffolk since 1995. His primary interests are in the fields of Development Geography and in the global 'North/South' divide.

Mike Dawson is the Corporate Director for Community at St Edmundsbury Borough Council with responsibility for the management of the Council's Environmental Health, Strategic Housing and Leisure Services, he is also the lead officer for the Council's Diversity agenda.  Part of Mike's role at St Edmundsbury is to encourage all communities to fully engage in the governance issues relating to local community affairs and service provision. He is also keen to facilitate people and communities to reach their full potential and has recently established within the Community Directorate, the Community Development Unit to lead this work.

Mojlum Khan has a degree in Business and Social Policy and work experience in retail management and public transport.  He is the manager of the Bangladeshi Support Centre in Ipswich and visiting Imam at Hollesley Bay Prison.  He is a writer and literary critic and a regular lecturer in Islam for SIFRE.  Mojlum studied Islamic Sciences and Qur'anic Arabic at the Hijaz College and is currently writing a book on Islamic Intellectual History.

Muhammad Manwar Ali, popularly known as Abu Muntasir in the Islamic community, has a B.Sc.(Hons) and M.Sc.in Computer Science from London University and has worked in the IT industry for around 25 years.  Manwar has also been involved in Islamic work for over 20 years across the country and has extensive experience in teaching and Muslim social affairs. He is especially loved by university students' Islamic Societies.  His work has led to the establishment of the UK Charity JIMAS (www.jimas.org) which reflects his activities in detail.  He has successfully balanced professional and voluntary Islamic activities while being blessed with a large family.

Gitti Dunham works in the field of human rights as a voluntary activist.  She is on the International Issues Sub-committee of the Board of Amnesty International UK and has a specific responsibility for the Central Asian Republics.  She also interprets for Kurdish Asylum Seekers.  She is a convert from Islam to Christianity and attempts to relate her work in the field of human rights to her faith as a Christian.

Graeme Garden is a Methodist Local Preacher. He was a Magistrate for 32 years, a member of the Board of Visitors of Highpoint Prison, and Member of the Board of Suffolk Probation. Since 1988 he has been a Member of the Commonwealth Magistrates and Judges Association.  He has recently been appointed to HM Courts Board with effect from 1st April 2005.

Ahmed Elsharkawy has a degree in Medical Biochemistry and Islamic qualifications obtained from Egypt. He is currently a full-time Imam at Highpoint Prison in Newmarket and member of the trustees board of Ar-Rahman Academy for Cultural and Religious Activities based in London.  He is a reader on Islam and science with a particular interest in Qur'anic Sciences.


Notes from Muslim-Christian Dialogue 1:

Globalisation and Consumerism

Cathedral Lecture Room 7.30pm on 12th April 2005

Hosting:

Andrew Todd, Cathedral Education Group and Sub-Dean of St Edmundsbury Cathedral

Chair:

Liz Pichon, Honorary Deputy Faiths Officer, SIFRE

Speakers:

Sue Young, World Development Adviser for the Anglican Diocese of St Edmundsbury & Ipswich
Asaf Hussain, Assistant Headteacher of Ixworth Middle School, teacher of Geography

Panel:

Claudia Pichon and Andrew Banbury, pupils of County Upper School
Ahmed Elsharkawy, Imam at Highpoint Prison
Elizabeth Moore, Diocese of St Edmundsbury
Elahe Mojdehi, Community Liaison Officer for SIFRE
Julia Walton, Chair of Churches Together in Bury

Guest:

Amedee Turner QC

Introduction

Amedee Turner introduced the discussions, which have been set up as dialogues between lay Muslims and Christians, discussing issues of global justice, democracy and the rule of law. 80 of these discussions have been set up around the world, and the results will form the basis of a report to the UN on whether there is evidence for a so-called 'clash of civilizations' between Islam and the West.

The speakers were introduced by Liz Pichon and the format explained: each speaker would give a 15 minute presentation on the topic of Globalisation and Consumerism and questions would follow from the panel and the floor.

Christian Speaker - Sue Young

She has been asked to define Consumerism and Globalisation, their interrelationship and importance in society and the relevance of Christian beliefs and values in considering them.

From her perspective as an economist, she defines Globalisation in terms of the developments in technology, transport and communication which have taken place over recent years.  There is also the definition used loosely by the general public that Globalisation expresses the general idea that the world has become a 'small place'.

Globalisation and Consumerism do interrelate in our world but it is not necessary or inevitable that they should go hand in hand.  It is in theory possible to have one without the other.

There is a tendency to think of Globalisation as inevitable but in SY's opinion it is a result of deliberate policy which proceeds from neo-liberal ideology, as promoted by the G8 countries which form 12% of the world's population, the World Bank and the IMF.


Globalisation

Positives: ease of communication around the world, food transport etc.

Negatives: fragility of the financial market has a destabilizing influence, manufacturing jobs moved out of the UK, small subsistence farmers dependent on large multinationals, spread of contagious diseases such as SARS, the environmental impact of global travel.

The losers are the poor who are vulnerable to shifts in international prices.  In recent years the number living on 1$ per day has grown from 1.1 billion to 1.3 billion.

We are involved in these issues through our shopping and travel choices.

Consumerism is selfishness which causes the problems of Globalisation - she sees Consumerism as worse than Globalisation.  We should perhaps be thinking in terms of sufficiency of consumption.

Lastly, the effect of Globalisation can be exaggerated.  A lot of communities live at the purely local level and this number is increasing.  They are isolated from the rest of the world.

 

Christian values

On Consumerism - in the Bible it is clear that our role is to love God and our neighbour, and the Bible has a bias for the poor.  We are encouraged to build up our treasure in heaven and share the world's gifts with each other.

We need more of a people-centred, spiritual approach.

On Globalisation - we are told the importance of our neighbour, defined as anyone who needs our love.  We should think of how our behaviour affects others, buying coffee, investing, etc.  More importantly, we should speak out about the impact on the poor of the speed by which money is moved around the world, e.g. by moving a call centre from one country to another.  The poor are vulnerable to such changes and also to changes in the environment.  We should remember the prophetic tradition in the Bible - should consider how these violent swings could be counterbalanced.

The doctrine of the universality of the Church already embraces the idea that we should 'think globally, act locally'.  Jesus is the true vine and we are the branches, connected to Christ and to each other.

Christian roles include advocacy for the poor, prayer, and sacramental action by local action against injustice (Jesus driving out money changers, relating to the outcast - lepers, women, children).

To be done

1. If Globalisation has sufficient safety nets is it acceptable or should it be abandoned for another model?  How strong should the nets be?  We should reform the IMF, World Bank and the rules of international trade - the rich nations shouldn't impose their trade rules on the whole world.  More power should be given to the UN to arrange global redistribution of wealth, as this is done within nations and smaller communities.

2. Deglobalisation?  Concentrate on production for local communities rather than for export, social security, micro-credit systems and local currencies.  We can engage with this on a local level.


Muslim Speaker - Asaf Hussain

AH has lived in Suffolk for ten years and so speaks as a member of the local community and also a member of the (small) Muslim community in Bury St Edmunds.

He began his presentation with a quotation from the beginning of the Koran:

In the Name of God, the Merciful, the Compassionate

Praise belongs to God, the Lord of all Being,
the All-merciful, the All-compassionate,
the Master of the Day of Doom.

Thee only we serve; to Thee alone we pray for succour.
Guide us in the straight path,
the path of those whom Thou has blessed,
not of those against whom Thou art wrathful,
nor of those who are astray.

Definition of Globalisation:

1. the increase in trade around the world, especially large companies trading in many different countries;

2. the goods and services and social and cultural influences being the same all over the world.

Consumerism is the preoccupation of society with the acquisition of goods as the chief object.

Consumerism (or should it be hedonism) is not seen so much as a matter for debate.

Globalisation is more controversial, with negative and positive views of it.  He defines it as the increased flow of capital from the South (or developing world) to the North (the rich nations).

Consumerism is exemplified in the 'bling' culture of extreme consumption and show, e.g. big jewellery, expensive cars etc.

Islam on Globalisation

It is possible to view this positively if there is fair and just trade.  However, this isn't the case.  Large Northern operations have the advantage over the Southern ones.  There is a huge difference between the cost of raw materials and the cost of the finished product on the open market.  The rise of the multinational companies brings the profits back to the North.

Islam is suspicious of global governance, e.g. GATT, the IMF, and the World Bank.

The Koran stresses the importance of community.

Islam on Consumerism

Consumerism is anathema to Islam.  The Prophet lived a simple life, which is seen as the ideal, with few material goods, which can become idols.

The world cannot support consumerism.  Western technology exploits the other 90% of the world.

Consumerism has created an artificial demand - advertising tells people what they need and they believe it.

Consumerism's creed is that we live to consume.

Islam teaches about the responsibility of businesses.  The 'Hadith' - sayings of the Prophet - emphasize righteous trade.

Big businesses and governments have created the environment for Globalisation, which has its roots in colonisation.

Globalisation is not about goods flowing outwards to the rest of the world but capital flowing inwards to a few control centres.

Positives of Globalisation:

q           Communication - technology has made it cheaper and easier

q           Foreign Direct Investment - it has helped to reduce poverty where people have been able to take advantage of it.

Negatives of Globalisation:

q           Environmental degradation - unrestrained logging

q           Bigger poverty disparities

q           People more materialistic

q           Global Consumerism now forming a homogenous global culture

q           Education is management and skills based - traditional academic subjects are neglected, as is morality

q           Double standards in the way Western governments deal with human rights

q           Diseases such as TB more rampant

Quotes from the Qur'an:

Sura 83 v1-26

q           the wicked will be called to account - those who use false measures

q           a record will be kept of sins

q           there will be a Day of Judgement

q           the wicked will go to hell

q           the good will be rewarded

Sura 2 v282

q           Deals with the practicalities of trade

q           provisions for writing down and witnessing contracts

q           protecting the vulnerable from exploitation

q           transactions take place in the presence of God.

In Islam trade is strongly advocated - the Prophet was a trader.  Trade should be fair and just.

Islamic rules about trade include a tax of 2.5% on income and the practice of usury - charging interest - is not permitted.  This is relevant when considering world debt - there is no safety net for the poor.

Questions

From the panel:

CP:     (To AH) Does Islam teach that if someone cannot pay back a debt it should be written off?

AH:    It depends on the context.  Originally, if the money for the loan was from the public treasury, then this might happen.

CP:     Is the prohibition about charging interest reflected in the laws of Muslim countries?

AH:    Pure Islam would teach this.  However, colonialism has changed the financial systems of many Islamic countries in relation to charging interest.

AB:    (To SY) Should Christians tithe (i.e. give one tenth of their income to the church or to charity)?

SY:     Yes, this is a good idea on a personal level and should work as a minimum.  However, it is not generally put forward in churches.  The Church is nervous about talking about giving money.

Q from the floor:

Does the prohibition of usury have the potential to cause a clash of civilizations?

AH:    The practice is different from the theory in Islam in relation to usury.  No Islamic government prohibits usury absolutely.  The potential for a clash of civilizations is there but it is not very strong, considering that the five major banks are developing Islamic finance products.

Q from the floor:

         Not a question but a comment: the two presentations we have heard are very similar - almost interchangeable, apart from the quotations from the Bible and the Qur'an.

AH:    Yes, there is a lot of common ground on this issue - I'm not sure about the other three topics.

AT:    Islam and Christianity teach about lowering our standard of living - how do we respond to our position of being compromised?

AH:    Islam has seen both sides of this - both luxurious living and very plain living - I think we should aim to take the middle road.

Q from the floor:      

         There is a difference here between personal morality and public policy.  We should make our own decisions on an individual basis about this and not let small groups control public policy.

SY:     I agree that personal morality is important but I would disagree with the view that we shouldn't try to stop things where we don't see them working.  At the moment the market is in control.

Same questioner:

         In that case we should not vote for the EU as they have protectionist policies in place.  I am just warning about the harm that can come from interfering in the market.

Q from the floor:

         We have influence when we work together.  Different denominations should seek common cause with each other in working together on these issues.

Q from the floor:

         Consumerism is surely not all bad when the development of the fair trade movement shows that the consumer can influence Globalisation.

SY:     Fair trade is only a part of the picture - we should also be looking at supporting local trade because of the environmental impact of transporting goods.

AH:    Fair trade is only chipping away at the edges of the problem.  We should make sure every trade is just and businesses should be held to account.

Elizabeth Moore:

         Do any other countries manage better than the UK in giving people higher values to live for?

AH:    There are Scandinavian countries such as Norway.  Huge amounts are given in aid to the South.  Mostly groups rather than nations.  Most countries are based on the capitalist model.

SY:     The UK is a culprit in protectionism.  Poor countries are forced to open their borders to international trade.

Q from the floor:

         Is the West guilty of thinking that we know what other people want?  Islam represents the opposite ideal - couldn't the countries in the Middle East exert pressure on the West by pulling the plug on the oil supply?

AH:    It's more complicated than that because the Saudis have a lot of money invested in the US economy.  But yes, some Muslims are worried about the seduction of Western materialism.

Other members of the panel were invited to give final comments.

Elahe Mojdehi:

         I don't think there is a clash of civilizations, but a misunderstanding. We should be civilized towards each other.  It is good that there are dialogues between Christians and Muslims.

AE:    Muslims and Christians agree that by the laws of God we need to live in a fair society.  Muslims refer to Christians and Jews as people of God, people of the Book.  They recognize the same God and have many things in common.  There is no clash of civilizations.  Globalisation and Consumerism have been introduced by secular systems.  We should go back to the law of God.


Notes from Muslim-Christian Dialogue 2:

Governance and Democracy

Cathedral Lecture Room 7.30pm on 19th April 2005

Hosting:

Very Revd James Atwell, Dean of the Cathedral of St James

Chair:

Cynthia Capey, Honorary Faiths Officer, Suffolk Inter-Faith Resource (SIFRE)

Speakers:

Mojlum Khan, Manager of Bangladeshi Support Centre, Imam for Hollesley Bay
Mike Dawson, Director (Community Development) for St. Edmundsbury Borough

Panel:

Elahe Mojdehi, SIFRE Community Liaison Officer
Sarah Ali, Kurdish Refugee from Iraq, shop-owner/student in UK
Martin Pennock, Society of Friends, Bury
Christine Amjad Ali, Principal of Diocesan Ministry Course

Guest:

Amedee Turner QC

Introduction

The Very Revd James Atwell, Dean of the Cathedral of St James, welcomed participants. Amedee Turner spoke briefly to explain the origins of the Dialogues and the international process of which they are part, which he had initiated. He noted that he had not come across any Dialogue which involved as many people as ours in Bury!  Cynthia Capey introduced herself as Chairman, and introduced speakers and panel members.

Muslim speaker - Mojlum Khan

Mojlum prefaced his talk with some Arabic words from the Koran, where Moses asks God to make him a good speaker so that he can go and persuade Pharaoh.

Mojlum began by trying to define the words Governance and Democracy. He reminded us that democracy comes from Greek words meaning rule of the people. Governance is then the practical implementation of that.  Democracy and governance are tools for how people want to be ruled, and how they interact with their leaders. Democracy is a mechanism for ensuring checks and balances; Islam has no objections to that. There is no single 'right' system of government and no single style of democracy - even in the Western world systems of democracy differ. So it is hard to be clear about what is meant when we speak of democracy being introduced to Iraq, Iran etc.

Mohammed did not nominate a successor or lay down structures or institutions for government. His guidelines. His successors were elected through a process of consultation, with people chosen for their ability, rectitude and piety, not because of their wealth, creed or family background.

Mojlum emphasised that there has always been a gap between ideal and reality. There is a good deal of chaos in some Muslim countries. However, although Muslims have not practised democracy, they have not stopped thinking deeply about the processes of government, and he gave examples of Muslim scholars and philosophers who had explored these themes.

Mojlum said that Islam sees law as a divine injunction. There are some fundamental principles which are regarded as absolute. The judiciary is separate from the executive in Islam.

Many Muslims are struggling to come to terms with modernity and need help with relating contemporary experience to the values and principles of their faith.

Christian speaker - Mike Dawson

Mike explained that he was speaking from the perspective of a local government officer. We take for granted a democratic system in the UK though we may not understand it fully, nor realise how it is different from other forms of democracy.

Mike emphasised the importance of engagement. He quoted Pericles in ancient Athens who defined a citizen as someone who is interested not just in his own affairs but in the affairs of state. Engagement means we must listen to people and meet their needs. National and local issues may not be given the same importance eg in newsreels, but it is the local ones which impact on people's daily lives.

In trying to define the task of Governance, Mike suggested it involves 4 things: Engaging with a community to establish its values, needs and vision; The provision of services; Working in Partnership with a range of agencies; The provision of systems of local government.

Mike quoted from James Atwell who had said on recent TV programme that the ability to practise faith in this country is a birthright. Mike suggested it remains so only in so far as people go on believing this is important - this is an example of engagement, or the danger from a lack of it.

Faith issues can get complicated when they overlap with cultural issues; also those of faith need to be aware of those who have no faith, and of those who have faith but a distorted and damaging version of it.

Questions

Panel-Christine Surely when any 'absolute' has to be put into practice that involves interpretation, and then it can no longer be absolute, ie the same every time and for everywhere.

(second question) In a multi-faith multi-cultural society how can you implement values which matter deeply to people of faith but are not shared with others of different/no faith?

Mojlum Muslims are well aware of the mutability of human beings and their environment, that all is in a state of flux. However there are certain things which do not change. These values are not necessarily peculiar to Muslims.  (Chair: Please give an example) An example is how I should treat my neighbour - the Islamic understanding is that I serve my neighbour not from any selfish motive but from a desire to become closer to God. Stealing is wrong, not just because I might get caught but because of the 'policeman in my heart'.

Panel-Elahe European countries and Islamic countries all have some way to go in their practice of democracy.

Panel-Sarah Although there is no democratic Muslim country, democracy and Islam are not in conflict.

Mike Democracy provides a forum for a robust exchange of views.  But to work, this needs not just a system but an awareness of others in the system that differ from you. The differences between those in the audience are not fundamental differences.

How history is taught in schools is significant; we too often teach history from our own viewpoint and ignore others'  history, eg the contribution of Islamic countries to matters of public health.

Q Would the panel agree that it is essential to have a clear separation between state and religion in a multi cultural society?

Mojlum Much of mediaeval Western world was a theocracy. Muslim world for most of its history has had a hereditary kingship.  The relationship between church and state seems to work OK in

the UK

Q But in the UK we are not governed by religious law.

Mike But every Act of Parliament is prefaced by a reference to the lords temporal and spiritual.

Q Whether or not law if of divine origin, the question of interpretation is always at the heart of it. Eg what 'killing' means is interpreted in various ways so that some forms of killing are 'accepted' in our society.

Q Following on from the question of engagement - what would the Panel suggest Muslims and Christians can contribute to society to enrich it from the best of their own traditions?

Panel Martin William Penn berated those who wanted to leave their society for a purer place. Issues of morality keep bubbling up; there is a question about how far people of faith should get involved in political processes and advise their faithful how to vote

Mojlum There is nothing to prevent Christians and Muslims working together for the common good.

Q that is good to hear, because there is concern about Christian minorities being persecuted in some places, and this gives hope for resolving this.

Q What do we mean by 'the people'? Is there such a thing? Haven't we become completely individualistic? How can we declare the 'will of the people;' in our own culture? Compared with (say) the black peoples of S Africa, and the West Indians in S London who have a strong sense of belonging to a people.

Mike Individualism has grown in many places and structures for building community have to be introduced to them, but in some parts of rural E Anglia there is still community spirit.

Q Serving our neighbour is a principle which could be used positively in Government. It is a pity that rulers mostly appeal to our own self-interest, eg in current pre-election period.

Mojlum In his last sermon Mohammed reminded people that they are all descended from Adam and that Adam came from clay. We are related not just by blood but by our divine origin. This is like invisible glue which holds us all together. The height of aspiration is not wealth but closeness to God.

Q We should not speak about two worlds but our one world. The Iraqis' passionate commitment to vote was impressive.

Q Differences between Muslims culture and our own are not so great as those between our values and those emanating from Brussels: there is a worrying anti-religious movement there, evidenced in attitudes to euthanasia, and the lack of disabled people visible in the community in Belgium.

Conclusion

The Chairman expressed appreciation to the speakers, and the panel and the audience for their contributions and reminded people of the 3rd Dialogue the following week.


Notes from Muslim-Christian Dialogue 3:

Human Rights

Cathedral Lecture Room 7.30pm on 26th April 2005

Hosting:

Philip Webber of the Cathedral Education Group

Chair:

Cynthia Capey, Honorary Faiths Officer, Suffolk Inter-Faith Resource (SIFRE)

Speakers:

M. Manwar Ali, President of Jimas, Muslim Education Charity
Gitti Dunham, member of International Issues Sub-committee of Board of Amnesty

Panel:

Elahe Mojdehi, SIFRE Community Liaison Officer
Sarah Diawara, Bury Muslim Community
Sister John Mary, Hengrave Hall Ecumenical Centre
Barbara Mayhew, West Suffolk Hospital Chaplaincy Team
Ahmed El Sharkawy, Imam to High Point Prison
Mary Myatt, Religious Education Adviser for Suffolk

A member of the Cathedral Education Group welcomed participants.  Cynthia briefly explained the background to the dialogue for the benefit of newcomers and introduced the speakers and the panel.

Christian Speaker - Gitti Dunham

Human Rights derive from the inherent dignity and worth of the human person.  They are universal, inalienable and equal.

This means that they are inherent in every human being: they cannot be taken away from, or surrendered by, any person.  Everyone has these rights in the same measure - regardless of race, colour, sex, language, religion, political or other opinion, national or social origin, poverty, birth or status.

These rights are enshrined in international and regional laws, the most famous and most globally applicable being the United Nations Universal Declaration of Human Rights.  Every member country of the United Nations (there are currently 191 member states) on signing the Charter of the United Nations, which is a legally binding treaty, has also agreed in principal to uphold the Universal Declaration of HR.

This Declaration, which contains 30 articles, was adopted by the United Nations General Assembly on 10th December 1948.  The date is commemorated every year, worldwide, as HR Day.  The 30 articles establish the civil and political, economic, social and cultural rights of all people.

The main purpose of the Declaration of HR is to deal with a particular type of harm, namely the abuse of power by the state and officials of the state.  HR standards are intended to prevent people from becoming victims of such abuse and to secure redress for them if they do become victims.  Some HR violations are criminal acts in themselves, such as torture and unlawful killings by state officials.

It is important to emphasise that an HR violation is a particular category of harm which can only be committed by a person dignified by the authority of the state.  Neither a criminal nor a terrorist has that dignity.

When criminals or terrorists injure or kill people, they commit serious criminal offences, but they do not commit HR violations.  It is against the background of international HR laws that Amnesty International campaigns and holds states and their officials to account.

During the 20 years that I have been a member of Amnesty International, our mission has expanded its boundaries, as has our global membership.

From campaigning on prisoners of conscience, torture and the death penalty, we have expanded our mission to include our current global campaigns, such as Stop Violence Against Women, The Arms Trade and Corporate Responsibility.

As a global movement, our membership is made up of people of many different religious beliefs, including those who have no religious affiliations of any kind.  I am a HR activist because I passionately believe that the violation of the rights of other directly threatens the human dignity of the victim and dehumanises the perpetrator.  But, equally passionately, I am a HR activist because I believe it to be incumbent upon me as a Christian.

To illustrate this, I am faced with the difficult task of unravelling before you the contents of my faith which, I suppose, is something akin to the baring of one's soul.  Before doing so, I must point out that I have no theological qualifications; neither do I presume to speak for other Christians.  Just as each human consciousness is unique, so is each individual's understanding of his or her faith.

The great religions of the world lay down the fundamental doctrines of their faiths, but each individual's understanding of them remains unique to that person. This is particularly true of Christianity which, unlike Judaism and Islam, is not based on law.  This exposes the mystical doctrines of the Christian faith more to individual interpretation.

Those of you here, who are familiar with the New Testament, do not require me to tell you that Christ is represented as one who brings us liberation and that his work and teachings are chiefly directed towards the poor, the needy, the outcast and the marginalized.  In Matthew 25. v 35 He even identifies with them to the extent that He says:

"...when I was hungry, you gave me food;
when thirsty, you gave me drink;
when I was a stranger, you took me into your home'
when naked, you clothed me;
when I was ill you came to my help,
when in prison you visited me."

Rich though the New Testament is with examples of Christ's mission to the weak and the victim, in order to illustrate the link between my faith and my work in the field of HR, I need to delve deeper into the most basic doctrines required of any believer and without which there can be no orthodoxy.  I need to demonstrate how my understanding of the Christian revelation, compels me to do what I do.  For this we will examine together some of the fundamental doctrines of Christianity and the implications they have on how we perceive the world and our place in it.

What are some of these fundaments doctrines?

q           That God is the creator of all things, seen and unseen and the his nature is love

q           That God was incarnate in Jesus Christ

q           That the Holy Spirit is ever present on earth, working in the affairs of men

q           That God's ultimate goal is to build His Kingdom on the earth.  Hence we pray: "Thy Kingdom come, thy will be done, on earth as it is in heaven."

Each of these statements, as I understand them, reveals a God who is intensely involved in nature, in man, in the affairs of men and in the whole historical process.  Moreover, a God who gives self-revelation through historical events.

A God whose nature is love is forever active and creative; for love is not an emotion, but a creative process, a process through which the creator has forever placed Himself at risk through His creation.  This makes the very act of creation a sacramental mystery.  It means also that the creation of the world not only initiates history, it initiates at the same time the human struggle and, more importantly, the process of salvation.  It is in time, in history and as man in Christ that God fulfils his ultimate revelation and, creation in turn, acquires its full meaning.

The full significance of God's action in history can be understood only when it is put in the context of the eschatological promises, which are the elimination of misery and exploitation as a sign of the coming of the Kingdom.  Hence, the very struggle for a just world in which there is no oppression or servitude is itself a process which proclaims its approach.  This task of building the Kingdom on earth, which was initiated by Christ, has been entrusted to us.  For we, with Christ, are joint heirs of it.

My conclusion from this is not so much that one day, if we are worthy, we will escape from the earth to be with God in heaven, but that God is willing, desiring and active through history to establish His Kingdom here on earth, with us as the chief architects of that kingdom.  However,

this eschatological promise cannot be fulfilled unless we are willing to become involved in the task of building it.

Christ is not just the Truth, He is also the Way.  The Truth is not just a matter for contemplation, for then it will become static.  The Truth must also be the Way.  The process of building the Kingdom, of ridding the world of injustice and servitude requires a total involvement with the human condition:  humanity in the context of history.  This demands an identification with those who suffer, as Christ himself did, even unto death.

The true Eucharistic feast is partaking of the broken body of humanity with which God has already identified through the broken body of Christ.  Otherwise, the memorial service of the Eucharist of which we partake symbolically in the church will remain nothing more than just a symbol.

Chairperson's comment

Cynthia thanked Gitti and observed that the Human Rights of Asylum Seekers were not fully respected in the UK.  As an example, midwives were reporting that some mothers, made destitute by our asylum system, were then having their babies removed from them because they were homeless and couldn't care for them!

Muslim Speaker - M. Manwar Ali

(Manwar's talk was based on this paper, prepared by himself.  We are printing it in full here.)

In the Name of Allah the Most Kind the Most Merciful

A Basic Look at Human Rights and Islam

Human Rights as a phrase came into use over a long history of human development and experience against injustices of many kinds and proportions. In dialogues with Judaism, Christianity and Islam we do find certain principles and practices enshrined in them that offer justice, mercy and rights to mankind, but none of them codify them as a separate institution under the rubric of Human Rights.

Some people claim that the world first derived the concept of basic human rights from the Magna Carta of Britain which was drawn up 600 years after the advent of Islam. The truth is until the 17th century no one argued that the Magna Carta contained the principles of trial by jury, Habeas Corpus and control by Parliament of the right of taxation.

Human rights in the context of Islam are those that are granted by Allah.

In Islam ensuring what is good and beneficial is of paramount significance. Benefits are understood to accrue if the objectives of the Islamic Law (Shariah) are met. The objectives are generally five:

q           faith or religion

q           life

q           reason

q           family & descendants

q           property

Whatever assures the preservation of these five goals is deemed beneficial and whatever fails to preserve them is corruption and wickedness and its removal is beneficial.

It is a significant and obvious fact of history that religion has always been the primary source of mankind's knowledge of morality. No age ever ignored it except this one.

In Islam all that is in the Qur'an and the Sunna is, per se, in accordance with human interest, at large, for the Creator knows, and wants, what is best for human beings.

Islam is a complete way of life based on a distinct creed in total submission to Allah. The outcome one hopes for thereby is success and being blessed in life and eternal happiness in Paradise avoiding Hell altogether. Islam promotes social justice, fair distribution of wealth, and acknowledge attempts that make human agency dominant while at the same time pay respect to God's sovereignty.

To follow the path prescribed by Allah is for our intelligence what the natural order is for all the other elements.

The Right to Life

If anyone slew a person -
unless it be for murder or for spreading mischief in the land -
it would be as if he slew the whole people.
[Chapter al-Maidah (5): 32]

Say: "Come, I will rehearse what Allah has (really) prohibited you from":
do not join anything as equal with Him;
be good to your parents;
do not kill your children on a plea of want -
We provide sustenance for you and for them -
do not come near to shameful deeds, whether open or secret;
do not take not life, which Allah has made sacred,
except by way of justice and law:
thus does He command you, that you may learn wisdom.
[Chapter al-An'am (6): 151]

The word nafs used in these verses is general and applies to any human being whatever the person's religion, nationality or race.

The Messenger of Allah (upon whom be peace and blessings of God) said, "One who kills a man under covenant will not even smell the fragrance of Paradise." [Bukhari]

The Right to Security or Safety of Life

If any one saved a life, it would be as if
he saved the life of the whole people.
[Chapter al-Maidah (5): 32]

O you who believe! Avoid suspicion as much (as possible):
for suspicion in some cases is a sin:
and do not spy on each other.
[Chapter al-Hujurat (49): 12]

O you who believe! Do not enter houses other than your own,
until you have asked permission and saluted those in them:
that is best for you, in order that you may heed (what is seemly).
[Chapter an-Nur (24): 27]

The Messenger of Allah (upon whom be peace and blessings of God) went to the extent of instructing Muslims that a man should not enter even his own house suddenly at inopportune time without indicating so that he may avoid seeing e.g., his mother, sister or daughter in a condition they would not like to be seen.

The Messenger of Allah (upon whom be peace and blessings of God) forbade the people reading others letters.

Protection of Honour Especially Respect for the Chastity of Women

O ye who believe! Let not some men among you laugh at others:
it may be that the (latter) are better than the (former):
nor let some women laugh at others:
it may be that the (latter) are better than the (former):
nor defame nor be sarcastic to each other,
nor call each other by (offensive) nicknames:
ill-seeming is a name connoting wickedness,
(to be used of one) after he has believed:
and those who do not desist are (indeed) doing wrong.
O ye who believe! avoid suspicion as much (as possible):
for suspicion in some cases is a sin:
and spy not on each other,
nor speak ill of each other behind their backs.
Would any of you like to eat the flesh of his dead brother?
Nay, you would abhor it.
But fear Allah: for Allah is Oft-Returning, Most-Merciful.
[Chapter al-Hujurat (49): 11-12]

Contrast the above with how the law of defamation works in our society.

A Muslim must not abuse a woman of any kind, no matter what her religion or camp she belongs.
Do not come near to adultery:
for it is a shameful (deed) and an evil, opening the road (to other evils).

[Chapter al-Isra (17): 32]

The Right to a Basic Standard of Life

And in their wealth and possessions (was remembered)
the right of the (needy), him who asked,
and him who (for some reason) was prevented (from asking).
[Chapter adh-dhariyat (51): 19]

This injunction was given in Makkah where there was not any Muslim society.

The Messenger of Allah (upon whom be peace and blessings of God) said, "It (zakat) will be taken from their rich and given to those in the community in need." [Bukhari & Muslim]

The Messenger of Allah (upon whom be peace and blessings of God) said, "The ruler is the guardian of him who has nobody to support him." [Abu Dawud]

The Right to Freedom

All human rights activism in the modern world properly traces its origins back to the campaigns to abolish the slave trade and then slavery itself.

The Messenger of Allah (upon whom be peace and blessings of God) said, "I shall myself be a plaintiff against three kinds of people on the Day of Judgment. Of these three, one is he who enslaves a free man, then sells him and eats (from) this money." [Bukhari]

After the occupation of America and the West Indies, traffic in slave trade continued for 350 years. Ports in Africa came to be known as the Slave Coast.  According to British authors around 20 million free people were enslaved for the British Colonies between 1680 and 1786. 75,000 alone were sent in 1790 as slave labour. Chained, one on top of another, on planks 18 inches wide, they were shipped worse than cattle. During the journey 20% painfully perished. Altogether around a 100 million slaves were traded by the European countries.

By the time of the Rightly Guided Caliphs, all the old slaves of Arabia had been liberated.

The Messenger of Allah (upon whom be peace and blessings of God) freed as many as 63 slaves. Aisha freed 67, Abbas liberated 70, Ibn Umar liberated 1000 and Abdur-Rahman purchased 30,000 and set them all free. The problem of slavery was solved within 40 years in Arabia.

"The reason slave trading stopped has nothing to do with a moral crusade or righteousness, but simply because people felt that the profits to be gained from not having it far outweighed those ever gained with it. As a result, in 1807, The Abolition of Slave Trade Act was passed, followed in 1833 by the Abolition of Slavery Act, freeing all slaves in the British Empire and bringing to an end one of the not so glorious British institutions."

[http://britishhistory.about.com/library/weekly/aa060400a.htm]

It is well known and clearly understood that in Islam no one can be imprisoned except in pursuance of justice.

The Kharijites used to abuse Ali openly and threaten him with murder. Ali would set them free and tell his officers, "As long as they do not perpetrate offences against the state, the mere use of abusive language or the threat of use of force are not such offences for which they can be imprisoned." Abu Hanifah said that Ali said, "As long as they do not set out on armed rebellion, the caliph of the faithful will not interfere with them."

No bearer of burdens can bear the burden of another.

[Chapter al-An'am (6): 164]

The Right to Justice

Do not let the hatred of some people
in (once) shutting you out of the Sacred Mosque
lead you to transgression (and hostility on your part).
[Chapter al-Maidah (5): 2]

O you who believe! Stand out firmly for Allah,
as witnesses to fair dealing,
and let not the hatred of others to you
make you swerve to wrong and depart from justice.
Be just: that is next to Piety: and fear Allah.
For Allah is well-acquainted with all that you do.
[Chapter al-Maidah (5): 8]

The Messenger of Allah (upon whom be peace and blessings of God) said, "I have been ordered by Allah to dispense justice between you."

         No one is above the Law but are equal in front of it

The Messenger of Allah (upon whom be peace and blessings of God) said, "The nations that lived before you were destroyed by Allah because they punished the common man for their offences and let their dignitaries go unpunished for their crimes. I swear by Him in whose Hands is my life, even if Fatima the daughter of Muhammad had committed this crime (of theft) then I would have amputated her hand."

The Equality of Human Beings

O mankind! We created you from a single (pair) of a male and a female,
and made you into nations and tribes, that you may know each other.
Indeed the most honoured of you in the sight of Allah
is (he who is) the most righteous (and heedful) of you.
[Chapter al-Hujurat (49): 13]

The Messenger of Allah (upon whom be peace and blessings of God) said, "No Arab has any superiority over a non-Arab, nor does a non-Arab have any superiority over a black man, or the black man any superiority over the white man. You are all the children of Adam, and Adam was created from clay." [Baihaqi]

Islam recognizes the Right to Co-operate and not, the Right of Association, the Right to Protest, Freedom of Expression, Freedom of Conscience and Conviction, Protection of Religious Sentiments and the Right to Avoid Sin. The way they are guarded, permitted or constrained do not necessarily coincide with how they are preserved in secular constitutions, but as to which system affords them in a better way is debatable. There is also the vast area of the Rights of Enemies in Islam which is complete, precise and fully accommodates the goals of the Shariah outlined earlier. All of these aspects can be readily proven from the Qur'an and explained through the Sunnah with great clarity.

A Few Observations On Human Rights in the Secular World

1) It is a creed without God - Fifty years after its proclamation, the Universal Declaration of Human Rights has become the sacred text of what Elie Wiesel has called a "world-wide secular religion." UN Secretary-General Kofi Annan has called the Declaration the "yardstick by which we measure human progress." Human rights has become the major article of faith of a secular culture that fears it believes in nothing else. If idolatry consists in elevating any purely human principle into unquestioned absolute, then human rights look like idolatry.

2) Human Rights can be suspended and used as a fighting creed. The armed forces of the Western powers have been busier since 1989 than they ever were during the Cold War, and the legitimising language for this activity has been the defence of human rights. The gulf in international law between the non-intervention language of the UN charter and the interventionist implications of the human rights covenants has never been bridged. It is now viewed by many as nothing more than a justification for Western moral imperialism. Economic globalisation steamrolls over local economies, and moral globalisation - human rights - follows behind as the legitimising ideology of the global capitalism.

3) In the secular context we never know why we have them. The way it stands, it only protects the core of negative freedom, (abuse, oppression, cruelty), it is an account of what is right not what is good, it is individualistic, and does not explain why we have human rights. The right to subsistence is as necessary for human agency as a right against torture.

Article 1 of the Universal Declaration: All human beings are born free and equal in dignity and rights. They are endowed with reason and conscience and should act towards one another in a spirit of brotherhood.
It briefly declares many foundations:
Free and equal personhood
Equal dignity
Equal creation or endowment
Equal brotherhood
Human agency

The Messenger of Allah (upon whom be peace and blessings of God) said, "Each child is born in a state of fitra, but his parents make him a Jew or a Christian. It is like the way an animal gives birth to a normal offspring. Have you ever noticed any (young animal) born mutilated before you mutilate them?" [Bukhari and Muslim]

We have bestowed dignity on the children of Adam [...]
and conferred on them special favours, above a great part of Our creation.
[Chapter (17): 70]

4) A secular defence of human rights depends on the idea of moral reciprocity: that we judge human actions by the simple test of whether we would wish to be on the receiving end. Human rights doctrines appear to assume that if the punishments and incentives of governed societies are taken away, human rights norms will remind people of the requirements of natural decency. But this assumes that the capacity to behave decently is a natural attribute. Where is the empirical evidence that this is the case?

If reason rationalised the Holocaust, so the argument goes, then only an ethics deriving its ultimate authority from a higher source than reason can prevent a Holocaust in the future.

Likewise, in 1959, Isaiah Berlin argued that in the post-Holocaust era awareness of the necessity of a moral law is sustained no longer by belief in reason but by the memory of horror.

5) The crisis of human rights relates to:

first of all to our failure to be consistent - to apply human rights criteria to the strong as well as to the weak;

second to our related failure to reconcile individual human rights with our commitment to self-determination and state sovereignty; and

third to our inability, once we intervene on human rights grounds, to successfully create the legitimate institutions that alone are the best guarantee of human rights protection.

6) Human rights need a theology in order to explain, in the first place, why human beings have "the right to have rights." Max Stackhouse, a Princeton theologian, argues that the idea of human rights has to be grounded in the idea of "transcendent moral laws."

Michael Perry, a legal philosopher at Wake Forest University, argues, for example, that the idea of human rights is "ineliminably religious." Unless you think, he says, that the human beings are sacred, there seems no persuasive reason to believe that their dignity should be protected with rights. Only a religious conception of human beings as the handiwork of God can sustain a notion that individuals should have inviolable natural rights.

Questions/Discussion

Barbara Mayhew

What do we feel we can do as a local community?  "The loud silence of the international community is more powerful than the bullets."

Gitti

Silence means complicity.

Manwar

We must use our public space more to bring things out into the open.  We must deal with our local communities before turning our attention to the international scene.  Muslims do not mix enough with non-Muslims.  My Asian school friends were racist against whites.  We need to break barriers and build bridges.  Our people have not understood (come to terms with) our presence here.

Ahmed

This highlights the significance of raising awareness.  Christians are being humiliated in Africa, yet Islam gives freedom to practise any religion.  The Quran recognises this even when the religion concerned is opposed to Islam!

Sarah Diawara

In what ways does the application of Shariah rely on particular rulers?  Does Shariah violate Human Rights when a hand is chopped off?

Gitti

That is a violation of human rights!

Sarah

A true Islamic state does not yet exist.

R  D

Human Rights allow everyone to believe what they choose.

Ahmed

Saudi Arabia, where Shariah law is followed, has the lowest rate of crime.  We have to follow the rules of God if we are to live in a secure environment.

Manwar

The problem is the misapplication of penal law.  There are checks and balances within Islam.  The Khalif (or the prophet?) suspended hand chopping in time of famine.  Shariah and checks and balances are close to Human Rights.  In Saudi Arabia the crime rate may be the lowest, but the law is used discriminately.  Penal Law should be suspended until it is clear how it should be applied.  There can be too much influence from foreign scholars.

Peter Watson (Jewish)

Jewish law was similarly severe but there had to be witnesses to crimes in order for a conviction leading to punishment.  (The example of stoning adulterers had been brought up.)

Violet Jurgen

Human Rights are confirmed by the law or taken away by the state.   They are not eternal.  Muslim law is open to interpretation.  Christian Law is internal, through the conscience.

Gitti Dunham

Human Rights are a secular moral statement, and they are not acceptable to all people.  With regard to stoning, there is the gospel story of the woman who was caught in adultery.  She was brought to Jesus and he challenged those without sin to cast the first stone.  They all went away.  Judaism no longer upholds stoning as a punishment.

Barbara Mayhew

Israel today does not adhere to Human Rights!

Sister John Mary

I would like to explain the original meaning of "Habeas Corpus" - the body had to be produced as evidence in cases of murder.

Anon

Reference was made to issues surrounding capital punishment in the USA.

Cynthia

Regarding the laws about an eye for eye, hand cutting etc in the Judeo-Christian tradition, they can be interpreted as symbolic rather than to be taken literally; they are affirming the need for fair redress.  Is this so in Islam?

Elahe

I understand it symbolically - a strong statement to stop people in their tracks.

Christine Ali

Human Rights are limited to the individual in relation to the state and do not cover economic and social inequalities.  They do not apply to multi-nationals.  Human Rights need reforming as times change.  The European Convention is more comprehensive than the Declaration of Human Rights.

Cynthia (departing from her role as chair!)

In the Ipswich series of Muslim/Christian dialogue it was pointed out that in Islam there is more stress on human responsibility than on Human Rights.  Muslims are called to reflect the compassion of the Creator God.  In the Jewish Bible/Christian OT, the ruler has the responsibility of a shepherd, to care for his people.  In Paul's letter to the Romans in the New Testament he says that Christians are called to share in the birth pangs of the new creation, to accept the pain of working with God for the healing of the world.  This is echoed in the Breaking of Bread at the Eucharist.  All three Abrahamic faiths seem to me to be best understood at a sacramental level.  Unfortunately some of our texts are interpreted by people in ways which exclude others rather than including them.

Philip Mann

When the police and criminal justice bill was pushed through, the clause about religious hatred was dropped.  Would it have helped?

Manwar

No - we must not restrict free discussion.  Things must come out into the open if we are to deal with them.  Through globalisation national states have been reduced to economic entities.  The religious hatred clause was to assist globalisation!

Question

What is going on in schools?

Mary Myatt (County Adviser for Religious Education)

Wonderful things!  RE is not evangelistic - it is about making people think.  Children are challenged to go deeply into matters of life and death and human experience as religious issues.  12/13 year olds are dealing with the spiritual concepts of light and darkness.  Human Rights are examined in detail.

"Evil prevails when good men do nothing."  It is better to be open and honest and face up to difficult issues.

Chairperson

The chairman brought the evening to a formal close, but many people stayed on to continue the discussion, as in the previous sessions.


Notes from Muslim-Christian Dialogue 4:

Justice and the Rule of Law

Cathedral Lecture Room 7.30pm on 3rd May 2005

Hosting:

Canon Andrew Todd, Sub-Dean of the Cathedral

Chair:

Liz Pichon, Deputy Faiths Officer, Suffolk Inter-Faith Resource (SIFRE)

Speakers:

Ahmed Elsharkawy, Imam of Highpoint Prison
Graeme Garden, Methodist local Preacher, member of the Commonwealth Magistrates and Judges Association.

Panel:

Elahe Mojdehi, SIFRE Community Liaison Officer
Manwar Ali, President of Jimas (Muslim Educational Charity)
Elaine Hewitt, Solicitor
Canon Peter Bustin, retired cleric.

Introduction

Andrew Todd welcomed participants.  Liz explained the arrangements for the evening and introduced the speakers and the panel.

Muslim Speaker - Ahmed Elsharkawy

"God enjoins justice and kindness, and giving to kinsfolk, and forbids indecency and abomination and wickedness." [surah Nahl; 16:90]

There are a number of Quranic injunctions commanding Muslims to do justice. Right from the beginning, Allah had sent Prophets and messengers with three things which aim at rendering justice and guiding the entire human society to the path of peace. The first of these is Revelation, which commands Good and forbids Evil. The second is Justice, which gives to each person his due. The third is the strong arm of the law which maintains sanctions for evil-doers.

Justice is a command of God and whoever violates it faces grievous punishment. God says in the Holy Qur'an: "Allah commands justice, the doing of good, and giving to Kith and Kin, and He forbids all indecent deeds, and evil and rebellion"

Prophet Mohammed (PBUH) was asked by God to do justice. God says: "Say: My Lord has commanded justice"

Islam stresses that justice must be done equally to all, even if it's to be done against one's self, or one's parent or relatives. There must be no difference between rich and poor. All are servants of God, and must be judged according to the Book of God.

Some people may be inclined to favour the rich, because they expect something from them. Some people may be inclined to favour the poor because they are generally helpless. Partiality in either case is wrong. We are asked to be just, without fear or favour. Both the rich and the poor are under Allah' protection as far as their legitimate interests are concerned, but they cannot expect to be favoured at the expense of others.

The legal system of Islam originated from the direct commandment of Allah; but there is the power given to man in order to interpret and expand Divine commandment, by means of analogical deductions and through other processes. The very first source of the Islamic legal system is the Holy Qur'an. The second source is the Sunnah practice of Prophet Mohammed (PBUH). The third source which may be classified as both consensus of opinion of scholars and analogy provide detailed understanding derived from the Qur'an and Sunnah, covering a wide spectrum of problems that arise in the course of man's life.

The Quranic injunctions, from which is derived the Islamic legal system, are further explained and translated into practice by the Sunnah of the Prophet. Sunnah literally means a way, practice, rule of life; and refers to the model behaviour of the Prophet in what he said, did or approved. Thus it became a very important source of the Islamic legal system only second in authority after the Holy Qur'an.

Besides the Qur'an and the Sunnah, the consensus of opinion of the learned men and jurists plays an important role in Islamic law since it provides a broad vehicle of progress and reconstruction. Analogical deduction is also recognised as the source for the Islamic legal system since it gives an instrument to cope with the growing needs and requirements of society. But such analogical deduction is based on very strict, logical and systematic principles and is not to be misconstrued as mere fancies and imaginations of men.

The central notion of justice in the Islamic law is based on mutual respect of one human being by another. The Just society in Islam means the society that secures and maintains respect for persons through various social arrangements that are in the common interests of all members.

Behind every legal, social or political institution of Islam, there is a divine sanction which every believer is expected to reverence no matter where he lives. He cannot change his own whims into laws. There are the limits of Allah, imposed in order to curtail man's ambitions and devices. Lawful and unlawful are clearly mentioned and these are the boundaries which every Muslim must respect. If he transgresses any of these limits, he is doing wrong or committing a crime.

In reality, these limits provide safeguards of the rights of men and nations and give men sense of responsibility to God and hence to the entire mankind. These limits stop him from being inhuman, and make him respect the blood and property of another man, and give equality of treatment to all individuals, male and female before the law.

In commercial dealings, these limits provide for respect for contractual dealings and the prohibition of usury and gambling. In the case of individual conduct, these limits provide for the prohibition of intoxicants and not to do injustice to others and give charity to poor relations and provide for the strict law governing inheritance. In the dealings with nations, these limits provide for respect for treaties, and give a strict code of conduct for one's dealings with one's fellowmen by not destroying even the enemies' means of sustenance, and by showing mercy to the surrendered enemy.

Transgression of such limits exposes the individual to a severe punishment. All jurists admit the harshness of such punishments but at the same time realise their long-term benefits to members of the society. Also, due to its harshness, a punishment is not applied unless a series of strict conditions and criteria relating to the crime committed are fulfilled.

To conclude, judicial power, according to the Islamic law must always operate in conformity with equity, even to the benefit of an enemy and to the detriment of a relative. Islamic law does not allow the slightest modification in the rule of perfect justice. It firmly establishes the rule of law, eliminating all differences between the high and the low.

Christian Speaker - Graeme Garden

Graeme Garden introduced himself as a lay Christian who has served 50 years as a Methodist Local Preacher, a recently-retired Magistrate of 32 years experience, who has also been responsible for training Suffolk Magistrates; a member of the Board of Visitors at Highpoint and Board member of Suffolk Probation Board; a member and more recently a Council Member of the Commonwealth Magistrates Association which has enabled him to see and study judicial practice sin many countries. He has recently been appointed a member of HM Courts Board which now has responsibility for running the Unified Courts System.

Graeme Garden began by quoting the saying, "When in Rome, do as the Romans do'. We might think that those who live in a country should obey its laws but there are situations where there is real or perceived conflict between the law of the land and religious principles: eg cutting off hands as a punishment for theft may be sanctioned within Islam, but Article 3 of the European Convention on Human Rights prohibits torture and inhuman or degrading punishment.  However, another part of the Convention permits the practice of one's religion - subject to the limitations of civil law. In other words there is an absolute right to hold religious beliefs but the practice of those beliefs may be limited.  Christian Conscientious Objectors are a similar example.

Graeme said that Christians' attitude towards law and the implementation of it is based on belief in a Trinitarian God and the twofold principle of Love God and Love Your Neighbour.  Just behaviour is enjoined by both OT and NT. Christianity and Islam share the conviction that God is concerned with our progress in this life and He ultimately is our Judge.

Another current issue relevant to the 'When in Rome....' issue is the recent decision by a High Court to permit a school student to dress according to the Islamic dress code when attending her school.

Justice means that it is wrong to detain Muslims without charge or trial or evidence in this country. It is wrong to brand all Muslims as terrorists.

Christians and Muslims both have a global vision and what happens internationally is of concern to us. Some Muslims view America as a rapacious evil power. America's own record in Vietnam/Cambodia and its own use of WMD should be considered.

There are Muslim Magistrates and Judges. In the judicial system efforts are made to ensure that ethnic minorities are properly represented with regard to the area where the Court is situated.  Religious diversity is allowed for in Court procedures, eg a Koran is available for the purpose of taking the Oath, as a matter of course.

Graeme believes that the UK operates a fair legal system which has been carefully honed to fulfil the needs of all Court users.  In some parts of the world there is corruption, with Governments interfering with the judicial system, or where people who are innocent as well as guilty people are imprisoned to serve as cheap labour. It is essential that people of Faith defend the rights of the individual and the high standards on which the UK judicial practices have been established.

Questions

1.       A lawyer in the audience suggested that we can't talk about justice in the abstract - it needs to be contextualised.  When we talk about justice we need to talk about the consequences of offending against it, ie if X is done, Y follows. Ahmed replied that justice needs to be given a context first within ourselves, to be part of our own personality in your dealings with yourself, your family and community. Both justice and mercy are attributes of God.  Elahe referred to a picture of justice as the trunk of a tree whose branches are compassion, mercy, modesty etc. Graeme noted the importance to Christians of Jesus' saying Judge not that you be not judged.

2.       An audience member suggested there is not so much conflict between the Christian and Muslim positions as there is between those who speak from a faith perspective and those who come from the 'secular' position.

3.       The same questioner was interested in Ahmed's experience of the attitude that imprisoned criminals have to the law. Ahmed said that he experienced criminals living in comparative luxury in prison - and it is expensive to keep people there. Yet the reoffending rate is high. But the victims of crime are suffering grief and misery. So in his view what happens in prison is not 'justice' in any way that would satisfy the victims of crime. Graeme expressed a more positive view; he thought prisons in this country were much more humane than in some other places in the world and that sentences were effective-though he did not believe in long sentences. Another audience member commented from experience on the different conditions in prisons in the region.  Ahmed explained the four categories of prison.

4.       An audience member asked about the actual implementation of the law, court system etc in Islam. Ahmed explained that there were the same components in any trial except that there was no Jury. Muslims deem it important to consider the circumstances in which a crime has been committed, and a Judge is entitled to investigate these.

5.       Another audience member asked whether Islamic law applied to all within a Muslim country whether or not they were Muslims.  Manwar explained that in such countries Jews and Christians would be allowed to practise personal behaviour in accordance with their beliefs. Conversely, no Muslim can demand in the UK the cutting off of a hand as punishment for theft because he has no authority to do so - the law of the land applies (although some extreme groups challenge this).

6.       Discussion moved on to how far law takes account of advances in society, eg technological and medical advances.  The legal system in the UK seeks to take account of these by taking account of the balance of public opinion about (say) medical advances - at least, it does in theory. Ahmed pointed out that very soon after the death of the Prophet people started to come across unprecedented moral situations. Over the centuries and now, Muslim law has achieved flexibility by being interpreted by skilled Muslim scholars. The questioner queried whether this meant a self-appointed oligarchy decided things - ie that the people were subject to a law that they did not help to formulate. Ahmed explained that the scholars have people's views relayed to them, and they take into account what line of action would benefit the majority. Manwar expanded on this by saying that these experts were selected for their service to the community and their depth of experience; in the implementation of Islamic law not everyone has an equal say because people are not equally knowledgeable and experienced.

7.       The discussion returned to the re-offending rate which was quoted as being 70%. Does prison merely create networks to enable more crime later? Would restorative justice, requiring people to face their victims, make people change for the better?

 

8.       Another question was gently raised about aspects of Islamic law which seem to outsiders barbaric, eg stoning a woman who has become pregnant through an adulterous relationship, or cutting off a hand for stealing. Ahmed replied that not all such harsh punishments were carried out - historically, they had sometimes been replaced by a fine. However, he though it important to take into account the victim's point of view.  A punishment such as cutting off a hand which appeared 'barbaric' was justified if the possibility of it ensured security. He also pointed out that the Prophet asked victims of crime to forgive the wrongdoers. Another member of the audience pointed out that these 'barbaric' laws were part of the tradition inherited by Judaism and Christianity, not just Islam - all 3 faiths have had to work out how to interpret them. A panel member pointed out that a 'barbaric' punishment like hanging has been abolished only recently in this country.

9.       Another questioner asked whether it was considered right within Islam to overthrow a ruler who was perceived as going against Islamic law. Manwar replied that Islam did not favour anarchy; in such a situation patience would be the counsel - nothing should be done which would lead to greater harm.

10.     Graeme Garden said that in his experience most people doing Community Service had been convicted of drugs offences, not of burglary or violence. A questioner asked if Muslims tended to be convicted of, or to avoid, particular offences.  This led to a discussion about the kinds of people who end up in prison, the age-profile, and the reasons why these people might be led into crime.  The fact that most prisoners were under 30 might suggest that the basic 'problem' was a lack of moral guidance and proper socialisation during adolescence.

11.     Ahmed reflected on the fact that 10% of the prisoners at Highpoint, 98n people currently, are Muslim. Two thirds of these come regularly to worship, and the majority of these are very devout.  They find God more readily in prison than outside - perhaps because they have the chance to hear about and explore their faith, and to worship. A similar phenomenon with regard to people coming to Christian faith in prison was noted.

Concluding Remarks

Liz Pichon, as chairperson, brought the discussion to a close.  She thanked all those who had participated, and said that there would be various opportunities for people to follow-up the series.  Forms were available for people's suggestions.  She also pointed out that the report of the dialogues would shortly be accessible on the SIFRE web-site  www.sifre.org.uk

 

Some Conclusions

There is no need for a clash of civilisations, if by that we mean between Christianity and Islam.  They share common values and it is vital that they reinforce their commitment to these values by reminding each other of them!  The challenge for both faiths (all faiths in fact) is to resist the forces of materialism and selfishness - that is the real clash of cultures.

Christians and Muslims worship a God of mercy and compassion who cares for the poor and needy. They also both believe that God is a God of justice who expects his followers to work towards a just society.  Globalisation and trade are not wrong in themselves - but trade must be fair.  The highest aspiration for mankind is not wealth but closeness to God.

There is no one form of democracy and there is no Islamic state.  Christians and Muslims can work together in the UK for the common good.  We can also work together to resist some of the values emanating from Brussels.  Christians and Muslims are also citizens of one world.

We must also recognise and honour each other's history and traditions.  Both faiths teach respect for values enshrined in the Declaration of Human Rights, but lay more emphasis on our responsibilities.  Muslims and Christians have a duty to treat everyone fairly, to save life, to free slaves, to feed the hungry.

The ethical teaching of Islam and Christianity is founded upon a theological premise - the nature of God.  For Christians and Muslims, the notion of human rights should be sustained upon the premise of the sacredness of human beings as the handiwork of God.

We must continue to interpret our scriptures and traditions in the light of rigorous study and analysis to meet the new challenges which face each generation.  This process is fundamental to Islam.

We must apply our principles to everyday life and to practical problems including the treatment of prisoners.  What kind of punishments are appropriate? How can our faiths help to rehabilitate offenders?

It is important that we act locally together as well as thinking globally.  It is also vital that we feel able to speak to each other freely without worrying about causing offence.  There must be honest.dialogue between us in all our public spaces.

All groups within the community have a responsibility to work towards the well being of the whole community.  Minority groups need to become more integrated, the majority need to become more welcoming and inclusive.  Muslims and Christians can together encourage this process.

There needs to be a greater understanding of the basic principles of Islam, particularly with regard to relations with people of other faiths.  Please see below the article which Elahe Mojdehi has compiled on this subject.

Next steps - suggestions

Studying together shared stories and sacred texts
Further discussion on democracy and other issues (women's rights, peace-making).
Shared meals and fellowship
A Christian/Muslim/Jewish pilgrimage, to Andalucia
Working with statutory bodies and wider community to tackle contemporary issues.


Islam and its Peaceful Treatment of People of Other Faiths

Compiled by Elahe Mojdehi for Suffolk Inter-Faith Resource, May 2005.

 

In the Name of God the Most Compassionate the Most Merciful

The Arabic word "Islam" means "submission".  The very name Islam comes from the Arabic root word 'salama' which means peace. Thus, by this very simple linguistic definition, one can ascertain as to what the nature of this religion is.

Islam is a religion which is based upon achieving peace through the submission to the will of Allah. In a religious context it means attainment of peace, inward and outward, through voluntary submission to the will of God.

 "Allah" is an Arabic word means The God, which is used by all Muslims, particularly Arab Muslims and Christians alike.  Islam is a religion of peace, mercy, justice, forgiveness, virtue, inclusiveness and human dignity for all.

Every Muslim starts any new beginning "In the name of God, the Most Compassionate the Most Merciful".  This is a constant reminder to compassion and mercy in our day to day dealings

Every Muslim greets another by saying:

As salaamu alaikum - Peace be upon you.

The holy Qur'an is the record of the exact words revealed by God through the Angel Gabriel to the Prophet Muhammad. The 114 chapters of the Qur'an have remained unchanged through the centuries and are still memorized and read by Muslims all over the world.

Muslims believe   in   One,   Unique,   and Incomparable God. They believe in the Day of Judgment and individual accountability for their actions. Muslims believe in a chain of prophets beginning with Adam and including Noah, Abraham, Ishmael, Isaac, Jacob, Joseph, Job, Moses, David, Solomon, and Jesus (peace be upon them all). God's eternal message was reaffirmed and finalized by the Prophet Muhammad (peace be on him). One becomes a Muslim by affirming, "There is no deity but God, and Muhammad is the messenger of God''

Qur'an defines The mission of the prophet as:

"We have sent you forth as a blessing and mercy to mankind."(21:107)

When Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) was asked:  "What is Islam?" his reply took less than a minute, showing the simplicity of the religion and its accessibility by all.   He said: "Obedience to God, and kindness and compassion to humanity."

Islam is not a new religion; message of Islam is the same truth that God revealed to all His prophets throughout history.

In addition to believing in the holy Qur'an, Muslims also believe in the holy Torah and the holy Gospel.

''It is He Who sent down to thee (step by step), in truth, the Book, confirming what went before it; and He sent down the Law (of Moses) and the Gospel (of Jesus) before this, as a guide to mankind, and He sent down the criterion (of judgment between right and wrong)."(3:3)

The holy Qumran affirms our belief in all of God's Prophets without distinguishing among them.  The faith of a Muslim is not acceptable unless he believes in all of the Prophets who preceded prophet Mohammad (PBUH). This is such an integral part of the faith.

"Say ye: "We believe in God, and the revelation given to us, and to Abraham, Isma'il, Isaac, Jacob, and the Tribes, and that given to Moses and Jesus, and that given to (all) prophets from their Lord: We make no difference between one and another of them: And we bow to the God. (Q.21:136)

People of the Scripture are further granted a special consideration in Islam.

'those who believe, and the Jews, the Christians and the Sabians, whoever believe in God and the Last Day and does good, they shall have the rewards from their lord and there is no fear for them, nor shall they grieve.''

The holy Qur'an talks about the mankind in the following Way:

"O mankind! We created you male and female and set you up as a nations and tribes so that you may know one another. The noblest among you in the sight of God are the most pious and righteous of you.'' (Q.3:64) 

If Islam is based on the notion of peace, then how is it that some acts are done under the name of Islam are contrary to peace? The answer is simple. Such actions, if not sanctioned by the religion, have no place with it. They are absolutely not Islamic and should not be thought of as Islamic.

The foundation of Islam is base on oneness, Therefore the holy book needs to be read and understood in its entirety.  The background to each sura should be fully understood and one cannot take a verse revealed for a particular battle and conveniently leave out verses and insist it is for the daily affairs of Muslims.  These actions undermine the spiritual values of message of the holy Qur'an and the image and sanctity of the Prophet of Islam. Doing so aids those who have hijacked Islam for their misguided cause. Neither the Qur'an nor the tradition in Islam justifies violence.

Ones who persecute innocent people because of their faith are not welcomed to the House of Islam, their use of Islam as a scapegoat does not make Islam what they portray it to be. The holy Qur'an categorically prohibits coercion in matter of religion by sheer of force. Islam teaches divine justice. Individual is responsible for his own decision and acts.  No one as far as Islam is concerned, is held responsible for another's decision actions.

Islam continuously reassures man of his rights to freedom of choice and freedom to use that God-given faculty of thought and reason. therefore man is expected to reason things out objectively and systematically for himself. To question and to reflect.  No one should press other to make a hasty decision to accept any of the teachings of Islam.  Every man has that individual will.

No one else can take that away that will and force him to surrender to the will of God.  One needs to find out and make that decision himself.  The faith is only acceptable when one comes to it with its mind and heart.

The holy Qur'an and Hadith vehemently insist on religious tolerance and the idea of "no compulsion in religion."

The Holy Qur'an explicitly says "There is no compulsion in religion". At another place the Heavenly Book says, "Don't create chaos and dissension on earth". It is an established fact that Islam is basically and essentially the religion of peace, moderation and toleration, having no place at all for any extremism or violence.

"Let there be no compulsion in religion: Truth stands out clear from Error:  whoever rejects evil and believes in God has grasped the most trustworthy hand-hold, that never breaks, for God is All Hearing and Knowing''. (Q. 2:256)

Islam commands the Muslims to be just with people of other faiths, whether they be Jews, Christians, or pagans. Islam calls us to treat them kindly and try to win their hearts.

''And tell my servants that they should speak in a most kindly manner (unto those who do not share their beliefs). Verily, Satan is always ready to stir up discord between men; for verily; Satan is man's foe .... Hence, We have not sent you (Unto men 0 Prophet) with power to determine their Faith.'' (Q. 17:53,54)

Allah commands Muslims to respect their non-Muslim parents and to accompany them in this world in a good manner.

"Argue with the People of the Scripture in the best manner except those among them who act oppressively. Say: We believe in the revelation that has come down to us and in that which came down to you. Our God and your God is one, and it is to Him we submit ourselves as Muslims." (Q.29:46)

Here are some verses from the Holy Qur'an in relation to the message of the prophet which show how Islam at its core and at its source is a religion of peace.

''O Prophet 'We have not sent you except to be a mercy to all mankind:" Declare, "Verily, what is revealed to me is this, your God is the only One God, so is it not up to you to bow down to Him?' But if they turn away then say, "I have delivered the Truth in a manner clear to one and all, and I know not whether the promised hour (of Judgment) is near or far."(Q. 21 107-109)

''Assuredly, We have sent down the Book to you in right form for the good of man. Who so guided himself by it does so to his own advantage, and whoso turns away from it does so at his own loss. You certainly are not their keeper.'' (Q. 39:41)

''Obey God then and obey the Messenger, but if you turn away (no blame shall attach to our Messenger), for the duty of Our Messenger is just to deliver the message'' (Q.  64:12)

''But if they turn away from you, (0 Prophet remember that) your only duty is a clear delivery of the Message entrusted to you'' (Q. 16:82)

''Oh Prophet  exhort; you cannot compel them to believe.'' (Q. 88:21-22)

''And whoso takes for patrons others besides God, over them does God keep a watch.  you are not a keeper over them. But if they turn aside from you (do not get disheartened), for We have not sent you to be a keeper over them; your task is but to preach''  (Q. 42:6,48)

Say to them 'Whatever good betides you is from God and whatever evil betides you is from your own self and that We have (0 Prophet) sent you to mankind only as a messenger and all sufficing is God as witness. Whoso obeys the Messenger, he indeed obeys God. And for those who turn away. We have not sent you as a keeper." (Q. 4:79,80)

And they ask, "When shall the promise be fulfilled if you speak the Truth?" Say, "The knowledge of it is verily with God alone, and verily I am but a plain Warner." (Q. 67:25-26)

(Noah to his people) He (Noah) said "0 my people! think over it! If I act upon a clear direction from my Lord who has bestowed on me from Himself the Merciful talent of seeing the right way, a way which you cannot see for yourself, does it follow that we can force you to take the right path when you definitely decline to take it?''  (Q. 11:28)

(Three Messengers to their people)Said (the Messengers), "Our Sustainer knows that we have indeed been sent unto you, but we are not bound to more than clearly deliver the Message entrusted to us.'' (Q. 36: 16-17)

To every people have We appointed ceremonial rites (of prayer) which they observe; therefore, let them not wrangle over this matter with you, but bid them to turn to your Lord (since that is the main objective of religion). You indeed are rightly guided. But if they still dispute you in this matter, (then say,) 'God best knows (the value of) what you do." (Q. 22:67)

Here are some sayings of the Prophet on how Muslims should treat their Non-Muslim neighbours on a day to day basis as well as how governments should treat a Non-Muslim citizen of a Muslim state.

"He who believes in God and the Last Day should honour his guest, should not harm his neighbour, should speak good or keep quiet." (Bukhari, Muslim)

"Whoever hurts a Non-Muslim citizen of a Muslim state hurts me, and he who hurts me annoys God." (Bukhari)

"Beware on the Day of Judgment; I shall myself be complainant against him who wrongs a Non-Muslim citizen of a Muslim state or lays on him a responsibility greater than he can bear or deprives him of anything that belongs to him." (AI-Mawardi)

I cannot complete this work without remembering the wisdom of scholarship of Amir Al-Momenin Imam Ali (Blessing of Allah upon him) on being a noble human being.

He taught us that one hour of deep and sober contemplation is better than a life prayer without understanding. He taught us to attach due important to sincerity of purpose of life; that to live in purity and work with nobility of purpose is a form of prayers. Man is recommended to dislike and abhor vices and wrongdoing. We are taught that who acts with pity gives rest to his soul. We are encouraged to learn from nobility of life of Moses, Jesus and Mohammad and all other prophets (Peace be upon them all).

In a letter to his son on treatment of others Imam Ali wrote:

'My dear son, Do unto others as you wish others to do unto you. "Whatever you dislike to happen to you, spare others from such happening".  At another place he advises: "Do not make yourself slaves of anybody". God has created you free man, do not sell this freedom in return for anything. Remember that to oppress a weak or helpless person is the worst form of tyranny. Do good to your brother when he is doing harm to you. Be friend to him when he ignores you. Be generous to him if he is not to you. Be kind to him when he is harsh and cruel to you.'

I hope this reflection of mercy and compassion that I have learned from my faith, in my journey of life will be an encouragement to fellow travellers of other faiths to help them to look inwardly to their hearts and find the compassion to understand Islam the way that Islam deserves to be understood.

Remember always that in the teaching of the holy Qur'an people are constantly guided to prefer Peace. Sanctity of life is underlined in the following Qur'anic verses:

"Whoever saved a human life should be regarded as though he has saved all mankind."(Q..5:32)

A positive step for people of other faiths is to reflect on their own history and traditions too, and see that fanatics and extremists exist in every nation and in the "followers" of every religion and  usually their cause is related to non-religious factors. The extremists who misuse and exploit Scriptures to justify their wrong deeds are totally misguided.  It is necessary to have a unified stance in facing unjust, extremism  and fanaticism. It is really a public duty where all of us have to co-operate and participate. Moderates however are those who can bring dialogue and mutual understanding into the future and accept with dignity what we differ in. Diversity is a blessing and as a sign of God abundant generosity :

We only need to create  concrete and positive  outcomes of better understanding. it is an insight that we desperately need to share. It can take quite a while for everyone involved to grasp the ethos of dialogue.  Our dialogue and cooperation hopefully will be guided by the spiritual and ethical wisdom that are contain in our holy scriptures.

''The True servants of the Most Merciful are those who walk gently  on the earth'' (Q. 25:63)

I would like to sum up with the words of whom that is a  'Bridge' between people of all faiths, Jesus (PBUH), the one who is deeply  loved and respected  by  all.   Words  that are the two greatest foundations on which Christianity has been based.

''Love the lord with your heart, all your soul and all your Mind.''
''Love your neighbour as you love your self.''

(Matthews XXXIII : 37,39,40)

An Islamic Prayer:

Oh God ,  You are Peace, from you come peace, to you return peace, revive us with a salutation of peace and lead us to your abode of peace.

I will close by Islamic traditional blessing:

'May God's Love and Blessing be upon you'
Wa -s-Salamu Alaykum wa Rahatu-Lllah wa Barakatuh.